GRANDMA 

Bill: One thing that helped was, because John’s parents are eighty so you know from that time when they lived it certainly was frown upon, but I think - John's grandmother moved in with us and we cared for her and I think that's when John's parents saw that we were really just normal people and that we were giving and loving, and it wasn't a free for all over here, that it was a serious, you know, monogamous relationship. And I think that was probably a tipping point for your father. 

John: Oh, absolutely. 

Bill: And their thoughts about the gay community. And then, of course, as a met our friends coming and going, they realized we had some really good friends and they were pretty much normal people, too. So I think it was a matter of exposure for them because of their generation. They weren't exposed to it. Or if they were, they didn't acknowledge it or realize and I just think it was through, through that process of exposing them to what the gay community is about and that they really are normal people. They're loving, caring, compassionate people and I think that made a difference. 

Lauren: Yeah, and so they had met some of your friends who were also gay? 

Bill: Yes. 

Lauren: That's awesome.

Bill: Yes. And, you know, when grandma lived here, my friend David's a hairdresser. That's pretty standard, I guess. 

John: Have one in the group. 

Bill: You know they pampered, grandma. They did her hair. They painted her toenails. They did her pedicures. 

John: Out by the pool. 

Bill: Out by the pool. And, you know so - 

John: (Paisley talking in background) And when my dad saw that, that melted my father's heart. Because this was his mother. He thought, my God, what more could she ask for? She's, you know, living a good life.